On Arguments For The Existence of Deities

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I don’t typically cover the many formal arguments for the existence of deities here. Anyone who has had any exposure to apologetics or philosophy has probably heard one or more of them. When I first deconverted, I thought addressing them might help illustrate my differences in belief. This didn’t happen. Instead, I discovered that all of the arguments I came across had fatal flaws.

It’s hard arguing against a broken clock.

Entertaining these old arguments felt repetitive and exhausting. It was like I was in a house with a single broken clock, and all the inhabitants insisted it kept correct time. Despite knowing the clock didn’t work, people would tell me I’d have to just believe it was right.

Except, that’s not how clocks work.

It’s also how the arguments fail to work. Take one example, a cosmological argument. The thing appears simple enough. Things that begin to exist have a cause. The Universe began to exist. Ergo, the Universe has a cause. Sounds agreeable, right?

The pitfall here is that this unspecified cause can get conflated with the divine. Proponents of the brands of Christianity I’m familiar with did it frequently. When I had faith, it wasn’t hard to make this leap. When I lost it, I realized how big a step I needed to have taken.

There’s nothing in the original argument which requires a deity to exist. All the argument does is create space for someone to say there’s an unidentified thing which happened. Since neither can define it, neither can disprove the other. Like the broken clock, if I don’t know what time it really is, I can’t say it’s wrong.

The inevitable march to ignorance.

Here is where discussions of this kind get nasty. At its core, the driving principle in fundagelical thought is to resolve issues of ignorance in favor of one’s deity. Thus, ignorance itself is a weapon to tear people down and replace it with whatever belief is on sale.

Take this article, for example. It goes from saying the Christian deity exists because, “DNA itself shouts of a deliberate designer[,]” to alleging that people choose to ignore this same deity’s existence. In simpler terms, not only is this deity real, but it takes more work not to believe in it.

Fundagelical Christianity loves a good emotional flogging. People are sinful beings undeserving of salvation. Muscle Jesus is ready to come down and save you if you just stop being a bad person.

You’re not a bad person for not believing, though.

I cannot stress this enough, because I have times when I forget it as well. I still sometimes have instincts that ask if I’m being fair to different perspectives. These are vestiges from my indoctrination, as far as I can tell. They are not some invisible omnipotent being trying to get me to return to a weekly singalong.

For those who are recovering from such indoctrination, it can be painful to see these reminders of an abandoned faith. To me, these arguments are not benign talking points; they are threats. Threats that people can be as vicious to you as they’d like simply because you won’t obey. Threats that you’re the one who’s really unreasonable despite facts to the contrary.

Threats that used to be effective because they weakened you to the point of giving in.

However, I don’t have to give in anymore. No matter what some fundagelicals might say, they are not the arbiters of what I believe. They can claim to have all the answers they want.

It doesn’t mean they’re actually in possession of them.

4 thoughts on “On Arguments For The Existence of Deities

  1. It seems you’re getting stronger in your “non-belief.” There were posts where you seemed to be struggling, but more and more, indications are that you recognize the unhealthiness of your “former life” and are moving into a much better place. Kudos!

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  2. Re “Things that begin to exist have a cause. The Universe began to exist. Ergo, the Universe has a cause. There are things that “begin to exist” for which no known cause has been identified. Also, there is no evidence whatsoever tat the universe began to exist. Of course the whopper, is the conclusion of “that cause is God” which is not supported by any premises in the argument, which makes it a definition that does not belong there.

    I have collected almost two dozen of such arguments and everyone of them can be slightly modify to “prove” the exact opposite of what is first claimed.

    Obviously theses kinds of arguments cannot prove what they want to prove, so why do they continue to belabor them? The only answer is that it makes the rubes in the pews feel as if there is some supporting argumentation behind their beliefs. This means that these apologists are being deliberately dishonest in their claims.

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    • I like the argument that time itself did not exist “before” the universe existed. Time is a property of space-time. Hence, is it even correct to speculate about a time “before” the universe existed? What would that even mean?

      “Sophistomacated” theologians try to speculate about aseitic beings that exist outside of time and space, but that is just begging the question and making things up. How could such (a) being(s) even interact with mere human beings? Even the best students at Frog Hollar Bible University cannot claim to understand such a being?

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  3. What good can your engaging with such arguments do?

    It could help liberate you: you see that the argument is silly. But for that, you are better discussing it with atheists than with believers. As you say, believers will not accept your refutation.

    You might want to liberate other people. Beware- this may be projection. You want to liberate yourself, so try to deconvert others. What can I say. First take the plank from your own eye, then you might be able to take the speck from someone else’s. Liberating people is difficult, and might be better left to those who are fully liberated.

    I see no benefit at all if you go on a blog asserting Arguments for the Existence of God, and refute them. You just increase the Christians’ persecution complex, or give them something to hate, which will not liberate them. You see the arguments which have hurt you, before you are fully recovered, so may be hurt again, even though you won’t go back to belief.

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